If you have a Facebook account, you can go to the "Citizens Against Norfolk Southern" page and read many many posts written by your neighbors who are upset by this proposed rail yard. If you have driven around lately, you've seen yard signs protesting the rail yard as well.
These are ALL good things to do! The more awareness we can bring to our community, the better armed we will be to fight this thing. As the old saying goes, "Knowledge is power."
But sometimes "knowledge" differs from "fact". That happens far too often - where someone "KNOWS" something, or was told by another who "should KNOW" that a certain thing is so, when in reality it is most decidedly NOT TRUE.
No one is suggesting that our friends or neighbors are deliberately lying to us - but unfortunately, they are unwittingly passing on false information as fact, and this can have a huge negative impact on efforts to unite community members against this terrible proposal.
Let's examine just a few of these items together:
Property owners didn't have a choice - the railroad took their land by eminent domain
Property owners didn't have a choice - the railroad took their land by eminent domain
FALSE
While the use of eminent domain is one option that a railroad might consider, there is a lengthy process involved in that option. It can take two full years before a claim under eminent domain might be adjudicated.
Did Norfolk Southern threaten eminent domain when they met with individual property owners? We don't know. What we DO know is that eminent domain was NOT used by the railroad. That is a FACT, and not an opinion.
In addition, currently the land is only leased. It has NOT been sold. No property has actually been purchased by the railroad. This fact is easily verified by checking with the Lucas Co. Auditor's Office.
You can see the railroad working on the land every day, so obviously there's nothing we can do about it.
FALSE
As stated above, the land is only leased by NS at this point. Should their planned rail yard project be thwarted, their requirement is to then return the land to its prior condition.
The fact that we can see work being done on the land is NOT an indication that the rail yard is a "done deal" and that we have no chance of stopping it. This perception is false.
My (friend/relative/etc) works for Norfolk Southern, and the employees were told this project is a done deal, and NS is going at this thing with "guns blazing" and nothing was going to stop them.
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We have no doubt that NS is going full steam ahead in trying to make their proposed rail yard a reality . . . BUT at the time they began this project and held those employee meetings months ago, they had no way of knowing how much anger would be generated against this project by members of the community. They had no clue Swanton Township would hire attorneys familiar with the railroad to fight against them. There was no way for the powers-that-be at Norfolk Southern to have any idea how big of a fight they would get from our people.
The land owners who have given NS options to purchase their properties have not sold anything yet, and could stop the rail yard plan by ultimately refusing to sell. To date, this has not happened.
A vital part of the project requires that Scott Road be closed at both sides of the tracks. In order to close the road, NS must petition the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio (PUCO). The PUCO is then required to hold a public hearing on the matter prior to making their decision.
So far, NS has not initiated a petition to close Scott Road with the PUCO. But if or when they do:
So far, NS has not initiated a petition to close Scott Road with the PUCO. But if or when they do:
THIS is where we hope to stop them. The hearing itself will most likely be held in our area, and interested parties will be allowed to address the Commission. THIS is where we plead our case. THIS is why we need as many individuals and elected officials from the Village of Swanton and Swanton Township as possible to be ready to testify against the project.
THIS is why it is so important for Village Council to not sell a small piece of land to the railroad, so that they can testify at the hearing about the terrible, negative effects this project will have on the village. If they sell that piece of land, they lose all credibility with the PUCO.
THIS is why it is important for our School Board elected officials to step up in their official capacity to speak on how the project will affect our kids. We're talking significant safety issues here, folks!
If you'll stop to consider for a moment, the greatest impact from the proposed rail yard will be felt in the village itself, even though the land needed is in Swanton Township. It will become extremely difficult to cross the tracks at any crossing in town - Hallett Ave. will become a busy thoroughfare. The tracks run right through the middle of the village - as trains are greatly slowed to accommodate the requirements of the yard, getting from one side of town to the other will be nearly impossible.
We do have a chance to stop this thing - but we must stick together, and keep the pressure on the railroad to get outta Dodge. Don't get confused, and don't get frustrated, thinking our hands are tied.
If all of us continue to stand together, we can stand up to the railroad and save our community!
TOGETHER WE CAN WIN !!
TOGETHER WE CAN WIN !!
I'm commenting to let you know that I'm a supporter of the rail yard. The township has no business trying to tell land owners that they can't lease or sell their property to a business. As long as NS and the property owners take the proper steps to bring business to this community, the township has no say.
ReplyDeleteYou are certainly entitled to your opinion, Mr Kosier. However, your post suggests that somehow the Township arbitrarily stepped into the middle of something. Please understand that the elected officials of Swanton Township became involved at the request of the residents - a VAST majority of whom do not want a rail yard in our community. Had the landowners in question sold their land to a developer for housing or retail or even warehouse purposes, it is doubtful anyone would have said a peep. It is only because they are considering allowing a rail yard in our community that has their neighbors and friends upset. It is NOT "bringing business to this community", you haven't been paying attention. It will remove land from tax rolls - there are no jobs coming with it - it will negatively impact the entire community, not just the land it is proposed to occupy.
ReplyDeleteOf course, if you are "a supporter of the rail yard", that is your right - just as it is the right of those who do NOT support a rail yard to hold their opinions as well.
Does anyone even understand "eminent domain?"
ReplyDeleteNo one ever said it was through eminent domain...if the land owners would of not sold..then NS would acquire these properties through eminent domain.
After tons of money spent on fighting...legal fees...court costs..etc etc....and ultimately, pretty much, giving the property away, these land owners would take a huge loss.
Now would the community and the people's of this village unite to financially support these land owners?
Probably not!
People are emotionally distraught. This will soon be over.
Mr. Reeco, at the risk of repeating information already available on this blog and on the Facebook page, "Citizens Against Norfolk Southern" - NO LAND HAS BEEN SOLD. None. A few of the land owners CLAIMED that eminent domain was used to take the land. It was not used.
ReplyDeleteYou assume the landowners might have fought eminent domain had it been used. You may be right - but we will never know, since all of them accepted the railroad's offer to purchase OPTIONS on the land.
This is not just one family, but several land owners - and they all accepted NS's option to buy. Typically, those legal documents are good for one calendar year, and expire if no action is taken within that time.
If these land owners (who are STILL the land owners) had told members of the community - their friends and neighbors - that the railroad had approached them and threatened eminent domain to obtain their property, the community would have immediately jumped to help them, and thus EVERYONE, landowners included, would have fought the rail yard together.
Is that what happened?? Nooo . . . for whatever reason, when the railroad came calling, the landowners kept quiet about it. None of them asked for help to fight a rail yard that was being planned for their land. Not one. As one NS representative phrased it, "they liked what we offered."
You are certainly correct that people are emotionally distraught. And for good reason.
I have no qualms with people fighting NS. I actually think they have every right to stand up against big companies, like NS, for the sake of the town. The town has my support. The people have my support. I will fight with them.
ReplyDeleteWith that being said, nothing was withheld from anyone. Within 30 days of being approched, this information was readily available to the public...
Did these landowners make a huge announcement? Did that need to? Things were done by the book.
When these CANS start bashing and slandering these certain landowners, that's when it gets rediculous.
All of a sudden everyone is so involved in saving the community...where are the citizens that are fighting our drug epidemic? I see no groups I citizens bashing the real threat to this community.
No one is "bashing and slandering" anyone. Facts are facts, no matter how uncomfortable they may be.
ReplyDeleteThere is extreme bashing going on. Some of these community members do so much for this town, and yet they are talked about like they are villains.
ReplyDeleteThese "facts" you speak of are actually not facts. These are basicaly emotionally distressed thoughts and speculations that are churned by every person into something bigger. It's nonsense and people need to stop and think before they comment or opinion at on something they are not completely sure about.
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ReplyDeleteI stand by the facts as I have presented them on this blog. You can call them anything you like - but a fact remains a fact, independent of emotion. These facts may elicit emotions in people, but those emotions may be either in acceptance of OR in denial of the facts themselves. The facts do not change. They remain . . . facts.
ReplyDeleteI can debunk one of these stated "facts."
ReplyDeleteProperty owners have never said that were taken by eminent domain, they were threatened by eminent domain.
Some of these property owners used legal counsel to look at their options. They had 2 choicees, both of which would of resulted in sale of these properties.
Again, this information was readily available to the public. No one noticed anything, so no questions were asked. No one investigated then, all of a sudden people see work being done and everyone raises hell.
And the best and easy thing to do, is bash these folks, an on all of these "citizens!"
I can debunk one of these stated "facts."
ReplyDeleteProperty owners have never said that were taken by eminent domain, they were threatened by eminent domain.
Some of these property owners used legal counsel to look at their options. They had 2 choicees, both of which would of resulted in sale of these properties.
Again, this information was readily available to the public. No one noticed anything, so no questions were asked. No one investigated then, all of a sudden people see work being done and everyone raises hell.
And the best and easy thing to do, is bash these folks, an on all of these "citizens!"
Shame on all of these "citizens!"
ReplyDeleteI am not a proponent of this rail yard, but I continue to have some concerns on the good fight that the township is fighting.
ReplyDeleteIf you win at PUCO and stop the closing at Scott road, it will not stop NS. They will simply break the trains at the crossing and deal with right of way issues. They do this in other areas as they have no other staging solutions.
In this case the residents right here on Scott road will have a crossing that is ten tracks and is always blocked. We will have two more trains a day and will still have the horns at the crossing.
There is no indication that the non closing of Scott Road stops this project. NS has won the contract for coal delivery and has no other options but to use this land that they have started developing.
Please let me know if these assumptions are incorrect. If the yard is going to go in regardless, we should then let Scott road be closed rather than living with a dangerous track crossing.
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Actually Mr. Hudson, it is Norfolk Southern itself by virtue of their plan submitted to Lucas County that made the closing of Scott Road a requirement.
ReplyDeleteSpeculation is that it is because their ultimate intent is to have not just a rail staging yard, but a full-fledged intermodal. The staging yard is only the first step before they expand.
People need to stop complaining and embrace it. It's a done deal, and this little group won't stop it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we should focus more in the real problem in Swanton . Heroin epidemic? Prescription kill epidemic? Crumbling buildings? Business clisings left and right?
No one to specifically blame, so that's not worth stirring the pot!
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ReplyDeleteI have not heard any status updates. Is this still moving forward?